Sunday, November 16, 2008

Obama: Unresolved Eligibility Issues

UPDATE:

Right after the Obama supporter read this post the article was again scrubbed. I will be posting this same article on RCP tomorrow. They are trying to silence the right and now more than ever this should go to show every one the "Chosen One" is hiding something. It is not RCP as they seem to be responding from OBamaBots.


There have been many questions regarding Obama's qualifications to be President Of The United States. Obama's experience, Obama's allies and associations, Obama's Socialist policies, and Obama's religious faith. These issues of qualifications were placed to rest on November 4, 2008. However, two issues refuse to just go away. First is Obama's "natural born" citizen concerns and second is Obama's selective service registration. In the event that Obama can not prove his "natural born" status or allegations of fraudulent selective service registration is founded then Obama will not be able to take the oath of office.

There currently are multiple lawsuits against Obama in different stages and in different courts. Philip Berg has his lawsuit at the Supreme Court. Obama has until 1 December 2008 to answer the Writ of Certiorari in the Berg case. The lower courts have said Philip Berg has no standing. In fact Barclay Surrick opened a constitutional crisis by taking the rights of the people away and providing those rights to the Congress. Judge Surrick said if Congress decides a desire for the citizenry to have standing they can pass that into law. There is a lawsuit in New Jersey that may have standing. Leo Donofrio believes the courts have provided standing to voters in previous lawsuits. Donofrio addresses standing in his lawsuit he sites two previous cases in New Jersey, first Ridgewood Education Association vs Ridgewood Board Of Education where the court stated "We see no reason why this State's historic liberal approaches to the issue of standing in general....should not apply to taxpayer suits challenging the quasi-legislative actions of local boards of education." and second Silverman vs The Board of Eduction in Millburn township. Another Lawsuit that will be required to be addressed is from California. Alan Keyes a presidential candidate from the American Independent Party has filed a lawsuit challenging Obama on his "natural born" eligibility. This case should not be dropped for standing because Keyes was on the ballot in California and as a candidate he can show standing and how having an ineligible candidate on the ballot hurt his cause. In all likelihood one of these cases will have to be heard on the merits. Of these three lawsuits someone has to have standing: Berg as a citizen, Donofrio from previous State Court rulings and questioning every candidate, or Keyes a Presidential Candidate himself. Whatever Obama is hiding on his birth certificate is bound to come to light.

The other issue that refuses to die is that Obama may not have registered for the draft. A retired federal agent submitted a Freedom of Information Act request for the documents surrounding Obama's selective service registration. The documents the agent received have big question marks. The documents received have a document location number from 2008 rather than 1980. The form has an unreadable date. It could be a document from FEB 1980 or FEB 1990. Apparently, there was no form dated February 1980 lending credence to the thought the form may be a 1990 revised form. There are no less than nine questions that have arisen that may make this form a fraudulent form. In the event Obama did not legally register for the draft he would become ineligible for the oath of office.

Many supporters of Obama believe it will not matter if Obama is found to be ineligible. They question the ability to overturn the election. After all over 52 % of voters is a majority and that majority should not be over ruled. The Obama supporters do not believe a court would overturn an election. I must beg to differ. I believe that a court would have no other choice but to overturn the election should Obama be found ineligible. The is precedence. The courts have overturned many subjects that have been against the majority of people. Obama hiding something and sooner or later the truth will come out.

UPDATE:

Obama Supporters must have reported this article as offensive because RCP took the article down after receiving 30 votes yesterday. The article was up on RCP for approximately 6 hours then disappeared. Obama supporters just can not get over the fact that their "Chosen One" is hiding something in his past that he does not wish to get out. Whatever Obama is hiding will eventually come to light.

38 comments:

CKAinRedStateUSA said...

If RCP lacks the testicularity to stand against the whims and whines of the Obama anti-First-Amendment fascists -- or if they now have taken on that taint -- then I say, "Let's move on!"

Stop posting here.

Find a site with commitment to the First Amendment.

Or create an alternative, competitive site.

It's not as if this is the first time they've removed things, though, is it?

Of course, there are the fascistic Obama hackers, too.

BTW: If RCP continues this, then perhaps they can change their name to HuffPo 2?

And that's because they'll drive the conservative posters from them.

Their choice, but we can vote with our fingers and keyboards.

BTW: Thanks for reposting this piece.

Maggie M. Thornton said...

RCP

The problem is, no site gets the info out as well as RCP. I say we use them and do whatever it takes to keep the info up.

Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D. says there is nothing in the Constitution to include the necessity of "standing." He says it is judicial intervention.

In otherwords, a court does not have the right to deny a case based on lack on standing because there are no parameters for standing in the Constitution.

Thanks for this comprehensive update.

Anonymous said...

CKainredstateusa,

I agree totally. What is really aggravating is that this article only states that lawsuits are out there unresolved and that Obama would eventually have to answer them.. I linked to factual articles from reputable sources.

Obama and his anti American followers are afraid that Obama will be eventually exposed as the fraud that he is.

Obama now has to actually have a plan. The economy is steadily getting worse and Obama still has not enunciated a plan to correct the economy. His only plan during the campaign was to steal from the rich to give to the sick, the lame, and the lazy.

Now rather than take an already approved Detroit bailout Obama and the Democrast want even more to bail them out. The DEMS do not even consider reforming the UAW. What a bunch of half wits.

jeanniejo said...

Thanks, The Lizard - I admire your guts to push again --- I'd do the same thing --- the birth certificate issue just won't go away and the selective service issue evidently has just surfaced. There are so many unanswered questions on Barack Obama. I'm doing everything in my power to expose the truth about Barack Obama.

http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Thank you for re posting this. I voted it up the last time and will do so again today.

There are many of us who still believe that Obama needs to prove his eligibility to be president. And we will not go away. I have already written to all of my State Electorates and to each of our Supreme Court judges to let them know of my feelings.

We have every right to express our dissent. Obama needs to answer the questions re: his eligibility to serve BEFORE his inauguration. Why hasn't he answered these simple questions?

Ladyhawkke said...

Keep putting up this link with a different subject every day. Obama has a big problem he refuses to answer. The one thing I don't understand is why Hannity has not reported on the birth certificate issues. I can understand the MSM not doing it but what about Hannity? Does he know something we don't?

jbjd said...

RCP booted me from the front page at 18 comments; now I know why. But this doesn't mean we will only watch and wait until the Electoral College casts their votes for BO for POTUS when we don't even know whether he's eligible. And we might have come up with a way to establish standing in federal court long enough to prove he is ineligible.
http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/find-out-whether-barack-obama-is-a-natural-born-citizen-as-required-under-article-ii-of-the-us-constitution-and-stop-the-electoral-college-from-voting-for-him-if-he-is-not/

Anonymous said...

Grasping at straws. You guys are desperate to believe anything that won't make you face the fact that your political ideology is, and will be, on the losing side of power for the next 8 years at least. The reason this has been taken down, is that it has been proven wrong, over and over and over again. Yet people keep returning to it because of some new desperation-fueled hope usually involving a state seal or imprint or typefae. Take it like men and face the fact you lost. Fair and square.

Anonymous said...

Grasping at straws. You guys are desperate to believe anything that won't make you face the fact that your political ideology is, and will be, on the losing side of power for the next 8 years at least. The reason this has been taken down, is that it has been proven wrong, over and over and over again. Yet people keep returning to it because of some new desperation-fueled hope usually involving a state seal or imprint or typefae. Take it like men and face the fact you lost. Fair and square.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

There is no doubt many fell for the empty suit. However, these suits started way before the election and in fact were started by "Democrats".

The fact remains Obama is hiding something. You know, I know it, everyone knows it.

Anonymous said...

There is another strong issue which seems overlooked.

At Columbia Obama declared himself as a foreign student. That means that he had to prove that he was a kenyan, including a kenyan passport, a certification from kenyan authorities and a kenyan school records.

By his own words and documentation
, he is not eligible.

CKAinRedStateUSA said...

To Anonymous who posted the comment re: Obama registering at Columbia as foreign student: Do you have any hotlinks or other data about that? If so, would you please post those here at your earliest ASAP? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Either Obama enrolled in Columbia as a Kenyan or Indonesian citizen. This could be the reason he's kept under seal all his school records.
All the schools he's attended namely, Occidental College, Coluumbia U and Harvard Law must know what nationality he's declared. They have the records for sure!

Anonymous said...

Do you have a direct link to that info?

otherwise we can make up anything we want and say that's the reason he won't release the records. Let's face it: if there was real hard proof, not just innuendo and hearsay, this story would have taken off a long time ago. Yet you can't face the fact that, all this info you guys talk about? it's not being concealed, and there is no conspiracy to hide it because it DOESN'T EXIST.

DABIG said...

Grasping at straws. You guys are desperate to believe anything that won't make you face the fact that your political ideology is, and will be, on the losing side of power for the next 8 years at least. The reason this has been taken down, is that it has been proven wrong, over and over and over again. Yet people keep returning to it because of some new desperation-fueled hope usually involving a state seal or imprint or typefae. Take it like men and face the fact you lost. Fair and square.
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"Proven wrong over and over"
And your links are?

Anonymous said...

Looks like you have been taking down off RCP site yet again. Too bad that the masses are not getting THE REAL TRUTH

Anonymous said...

"Proven wrong over and over"
And your links are?

snopes.com

factcheck.org

but it doesn't matter what links I post because anyhting I post will be "part of the conspiracy" to keep 'the truth' (which doesn't exist' from getting out.

Face the facts. You lost. Obama will be president.

Anonymous said...

Obama will be president ...

It is quite probable

Then democracy will be dead, and that is absolutely sure.

By the way, come up with the vault certificate and with the Columbia doc. You will feel better afterwards.

But of course this is impossible.

DABIG said...

"snopes.com

factcheck.org"

--------------

You're joking right?

Face these facts, Obama will be a
usurper, if he gets that far.
After all, why all the effort???
LOL

jbjd said...

Please, anonymous, since you support restricting the flow of information over the internet, at least dispense the facts when a forum for communication exists. "factcheck.org" is legally named "Annenberg Political FactCheck." And, according to their web site, they are funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation. (You know, the same people who handed over tens of millions of dollars to Obama, whom Bill Ayers had hired to Chair the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and who for some reason thought that carrying out the CAC's mission to improve the education of Chicago school children could be accomplished by doling out the money to community based organizations like ACORN. Not surprisingly, under Obama's leadership, test scores failed to improve.

Now, you try giving us the truth about Snopes.

Terri S said...

1. Hawaii doesn't have 'vault' certificates. Many states don't, including Washington.

2. The Department of Health, in Hawaii, has verified that he was born in Hawaii. What part of this do you not understand????

3. The Judge for the lawsuit in Virginia has accepted Obama's birth certificate as official. What part of this do you not understand???

Do you people really, truly think that there has been some kind of conspiracy for 47 years to keep the details of Obama's birth a secret??? That's stupid, people.

Anonymous said...

I disagree. No one wants to believe the were defrauded by an empty suit. What this blog post says is factual. There are at least three lawsuits pending against Obama questioning his eligibility. Now there is something questionable regarding the selective service registration.

DABIG said...

Three Presidential candidates, including Alan Keyes, is suing Barack Obama, Joe Biden, the Secretary of the State of California, and ALL of the Electoral College in the state of California for not properly vetting the POTUS candidates on the ballots.

SOS Lawsuits: California Keyes v. Bown Superior Court Lawsuit

http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
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Also Terri, Hawaii stated no such thing. All they stated is that they have "a" birth cert., NEVER stated where it was from.

Guess who owns the website that FactCheck.org uses? David Axelrod!
I can't take it............
I'm gonna split a rib if this doesn't stop getting any more obvious.

The Lizard said...

Terri,

No the State of Hawaii never said he was born in Hawaii. What they said is there is a long version of the BC in Hawaii. I have no doubt there is a long copy of a birth certificate. But what does it say? Does it say he was born in Hawaii? My belief has always been that the birth certificate on file will raise further questions. What do I mean? I think it will show a late entry just like the late entry in the Hawaiian paper.

If in fact the BC shows a late registration then that is proof that Obama was not born in hospital as claimed. Obama will then have to change his story to some midwife being present.

No before anyone says then Obama's mother would have had to of foreseen him running for president I want to let you know that is a ridiculous argument. No Obama's mother probably just wanted to ensure Obama had the rights to citizenship and all the benefits that come with it.

Now for the vault copy you claim does not exist. First of all there is something more on file than the bogus form Obama displayed and provided to daily kos, fat check, and Snopes.

Again, Why not just release the document? What is he hiding? And why write to RCP to take this story down?

Everything in this story I have written is true. I do not claim anything other than Obama is hiding something. Other than that I am reporting on the fact that Obama has three lawsuits questioning his eligibility.

Anonymous said...

Love your site Lizard!

Actually there are at least five ongoing lawsuits. Obama has hired three law firms to fight, rather than simply prove he is eligible.

Word is spreading quickly by blog - and the Washington Times Weekly will have a full page ad tomorrow, I beleive.

What I do not understand is why none of this secrecy seems to bother the Obama supporters, as well. It should concern every citizen.

DABIG said...

from: http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/

“2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?

“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”

This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:

“; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:”

It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?

McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years

The Lizard said...

Dabig,

Thanks.

Obama is hiding something in his past.

Anonymous said...

This is for REAL. The election is NOT OVER. IF Obama is ineligible because he is not a natural born U.S. citizen then the Supreme Court could decide who will be President OR the Electoral College could reject Obama as a growing list of potential electors are joining a lawsuit demanding proof of birth. Instead of talking let's do something.

Take action here: http://peoplespassions.org/index.html
It's EASY. Just click and send emails to Reps. then send letters/emails to Electors asking them to defend the U.S. Constitution and demand Obama provide birth certificate or step down from Presidency. Every email and letter counts! Please help.

Write To U.S. Supreme Court Justices Regarding Obama Birth Certificate here: http://libertynjustice.wordpress.com/

FOR PROOF look here: http://peoplespassions.org/documents/The_Problem_with_a_birth_place.htm
and here:
LISTEN TO AUDIO of Kenya Grandmother stating that Obama born in Mombassa Kenya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo


People in Kenya know something that Americans don't: Obama born in Kenya!
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1K94ALlTA

More than a half-dozen legal challenges have been filed in federal and state courts demanding President-elect Barack Obama's decertification from ballots or seeking to halt elector meetings, claiming he has failed to prove his U.S. citizenship status. WND is tracking the progress of many cases across the U.S., including the following: OH, CT, WA, NJ, PA, GA, Hawaii
Read full article: http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80928

Hillbilly said...

You should be allowed to post your opinion anywhere without fear of being censored.

You are aware of course , that this applies in both directions.

I have had comments deleted from many right-wing blogs of all sizes, (Palin supporters are particularly guilty), and I can tell you that Lefties or Democrats do not have a stranglehold on censorship, as you seem to feverishly contend.

Having said that, we'll see how long this comment lasts, that is if it is approved at all.

I first direct you here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

"We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now SEEN, TOUCHED,, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."

If you have put all your faith in people like Berg, Corsi and Steve Doucy of FOX, then I feel really sorry about that.

Berg's standing has nothing to do with the veracity of ,(an authentic certificate good enough for the State Department), or relevence here.

You are doomed to let January 20th come and go, and waste even more energy til then if you don't adjust your Tin-Foil Hat.

Good luck to you, sir.

jbjd said...

Anonymous, please, that you ignore my previous posting pointing out that, the correct name of the organization you keep citing as verifying BO's credibility is "ANNENBERG Political FactCheck." And they are funded by "Annenberg Foundation." But never mind. That you would credit what anyone else says as true, when it comes to BO's birth certificate; despite the fact, BO refuses to show this 'real' document to the court, arguing, instead, he does not have to prove natural born status because the Plaintiff lacks standing, merely demonstrates you lack sufficient reason to pull yourself out of your BO-induced stupor.

Hillbilly said...

Well, sir, I do not post as anonymous anywhere. There seem to be some some "Anons" here from both sides of this issue who are frightened of speaking in public.

Let's see, Anneberg, "owned by David Axelrod" it just doesn't end.

I am an independent , (lifelong), and I certainly don't suffer from any "BO" stupor.

Why I do suffer from, is from hearing more crackhead talk from not only from the Left, but from you too!

Wake up folks, you are just prolonging the inevitable.

He will be your president, and it won't be from any hanky-panky.

Your mission, (in the unlikehood that you will accept it), is to stop being a bitter partisan, quit blaming the Anneberg's, (great friends of your God, Reagan), and get on with your life.

Do you maintain that WAPO would stake their reputation on FactCheck.Org if it were a fraud?

Do something productive and meaningful.

Surprise us and stop being angry and bitter. 81/2 million votes and an electoral landslide literally nullifies your fallacious arguments anyway.
I can point out just as many isolated attempts to de-fraud voters that came from your side, maybe more than the other.

Try and do something positive with your life. Why waste all of this energy and several years of your life on baseless arguments and bitterness?

Raise funds for Breast Cancer research- Feed the homeless-

Surprise me.

Hillbilly said...

Oh boy! Is it just a coincidence that within minutes of posting publicly here, I received a visit from
military intelligence?

Goodness, sorry if I offended anyone!

Hooray for TIA!

jbjd said...

Hillbilly, you ask, "Why waste all of this energy and several years of your life on [pursuing the truth about Obama's eligibility for POTUS under Article II of the U.S. Constitution]?"

My answer is, "Because I love my country."

Evidently, I love her far more than you.

The Lizard said...

Hillbilly,

Are you intentionally trying to get your comments removed from here?

That is what it seems with your ridiculous accusations about MI showing up.

Your comments will be left for anyone that visits to read.

You can stop with the insinuations and accusations.

Now tell me one thing:

Why is Obama refusing to show the vault copy or long version of the BC?

The one on fact check is not the original BC as claimed. This is the same short version they have been showing all along. This may satisfy their requirements for facts but this document is not what is required to even show proof to the State of Hawaii as being born in Hawaii.

Why if Obama is so innocent act so guilty? When you can answer whatever Obama is hiding get back to me.

Maggie M. Thornton said...

Here's a question for people like Hillbilly: Why do you not want to know - without a doubt - that your President is a natural-born citizen?

Unless FactCheck.org has new version of their purported b/c, they do not have an original. The one the Obama campaign provided is definitely not authentic. Remember, the State of Hawaii cannot give out his authentic certificate, if they indeed have one, without his request to do so.

It is a simple thing for Obama to provide proof - unless he doesn't have it. Why would he not want to?

Do you have no respect for our Constitution?

Hillbilly said...

First: I make no accusations at all. I was genuinely surprised to get a visit, (through my profile here), from MI. A coincidence? Perhaps. It might have been a bot, but I doubt it.

The long form is not required. Can you show me where STATE says that the form provided by HI's registrar and SS, (which is the form with a proper seal that they issue everyone), is not enough for them?

I think you are the one who is casting accusations about, by questioning my patriotism, which is just as fascist as someone removing your article from RCP.

I'll try to keep it from being personal if you will. I plan to get beyond the lies and distortions and fascism/race-baiting of the last 2 years. @ wrongs don't make a right, unless one party won't fess up.

Obama acting guilty is an emotional and political fabrication of the Right, just like all of the others. All of them have been debunked, yet it persists.

read the entire FactCheck article. Are you saying that TWO major state officials in HI are committing fraud? That's a stretch.

What is this imaginary thing that he is hiding?

The onus is on you and the Right to prove that he has done something improper. Until then, this is imaginary.

Hillbilly said...
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The Lizard said...

Hillbilly,

There is a requirement in Hawaii to show the long form when providing proof of Hawaiian rights.

No the Hawaiian officials did not lie. What they said was a vault copy was on file. They remained vague as to what it said and never said that he was indeed born in Hawaii.

Now none of this has anything to do with what I wrote. I reported that there were multiple lawsuits pending against Obama. That is nothing but fact.

It all comes down to this:

Obama has 6 lawsuits pending. Obama supporters are trying to keep this fact from ever seeing the light of day. I am not a conspiracy theorists. My concern is that usually innocent people will do everything in their power to dispel damaging rumors. All Obama has to do is release the long version of his birth certificate and get it over with. Hiding documents is the act of the guilty not the innocent.