Friday, October 17, 2008

McCain Defends Average "Joe"; Obama Mocks Him

John McCain displayed his compassion for middle class America today; while Obama and Biden both mocked the middle class. Obama and Biden are elitists that believe only government bureaucrats are smart enough to spread the wealth around; while McCain and Palin believe in American ingenuity. Which candidate is ready to lead America into the future?

On Wednesday night John McCain brought up "Joe the Plumber". This showed that McCain truly believes in middle America. Obama met "Joe" earlier last week, Obama dismissed him and said "spread the wealth". Now to be sure this was a question regarding taxes on small businesses. Obama believes in taxing small businesses. To Obama the middle does not matter. The only thing that matters is a marxist philosophy and redistributing income. Let there be no doubt about what exactly Obama intendeds to do. He plans on "punishing ingenuity" and rewarding "incompetence and laziness".

It is the same tired old equality and fairness debate. McCain wants to level the playing field and allow everyone to compete for their piece of the pie. Obama desires to create class equality by rewarding the sick, the lame, and the lazy all the while punishing the those that use rudimentary human instincts to compete. McCain is a philosophy of rewarding those that compete while providing a helping hand to those that are unable to compete due to an uneven playing field. Obama desires to punish the successful ones and giving away their success. McCain will instill confidence in America. Obama will stop America dead in its track.

Obama's showed a sincere lack of understanding when he openly mocked and attacked average Joe. Average Joe has desires to improve his station in life. Average Joe intended on purchasing a business that would have created jobs. But Obama does not really wish for Americans to have jobs. A lack of jobs is what happens when you give income away to people that did not earn that income. There is no incentive to go out and improve yourself in an effort to better compete when Obama plans on giving people additional income for nothing. Let us not forget the following saying: Nothing is free and and life is not fair. These two sayings are relevant and very true for this election. America will pay a heavy price under Obama's tax giveaway plan. Americans will suffer through a downturn in economic power in effort to level the playing field and we will be forever a weaker country.


CKAinRedStateUSA said...

Obama mocking the "average Joe"?

I am shocked, appalled.


Shadowbrook Smith said...

Outside Toledo, Ohio, on Sunday, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was approached by plumber Joe Wurzelbacher, a big, bald man with a goatee who asked Obama if he believes in the American dream.

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Obama said, "First off, you would get a 50% tax credit so you'd get a tax cut for your healthcare costs….. if your revenue is above 250 – then from 250 down, your taxes are going to stay the same. It is true that from 250 up – from 250 – 300 or so, so for that additional amount, you’d go from 36 to 39%, which is what it was under Bill Clinton. And the reason why we’re doing that is because 95% of small businesses make less than 250. So what I want to do is give them a tax cut. I want to give all these folks who are bus drivers, teachers, auto workers who make less, I want to give them a tax cut. And so what we’re doing is, we are saying that folks who make more than 250 that that marginal amount above 250 – they’re gonna be taxed at a 39 instead of a 36% rate.”

Responded Wurzelbacher, "the reason I ask you about the American dream, I mean I've worked hard. I'm a plumber. I work 10-12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American dream."

"Well," said Obama, "here's a way of thinking about it. How long have been a plumber?"

Wurzelbacher said 15 years.

Obama says, “Over the last 15 years, when you weren’t making 250, you would have been given a tax cut from me, so you’d actually have more money, which means you would have saved more, which means you would have gotten to the point where you could build your small business quicker than under the current tax code. So there are two ways of looking at it – I mean one way of looking at it is, now that you’ve become more successful through hard work – you don’t want to be taxed as much.”

“Exactly," Wurzelbacher said.

Obama continued, “But another way of looking at it is 95% of folks who are making less than 250, they may be working hard too, but they’re being taxed at a higher rate than they would be under mine. So what I’m doing is, put yourself back 10 years ago when you were only making whatever, 60 or 70. Under my tax plan you would be keeping more of your paycheck, you’d be paying lower taxes, which means you would have saved…Now look, nobody likes high taxes."

"No," said Wurzelbacher.

"Of course not," said Obama. "But what’s happened is that we end up – we’ve cut taxes a lot for folks like me who make a lot more than 250. We haven’t given a break to folks who make less, and as a consequence, the average wage and income for ordinary folks, the vast majority of Americans, has actually gone down over the last eight years. So all I want to do is – I’ve got a tax cut. The only thing that changes, is I’m gonna cut taxes a little bit more for the folks who are most in need and for the 5% of the folks who are doing very well - even though they’ve been working hard and I appreciate that – I just want to make sure they’re paying a little bit more in order to pay for those other tax cuts. Now, I respect the disagreement. I just want you to be clear – it’s not that I want to punish your success – I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you – that they’ve got a chance at success too.”

Wurzelbacher said it seemed as though Obama might support a flat tax.

Obama says, “you know, I would be open to it except here’s the problem with a flat tax is that if you actually put a flat tax together, in order for it to work and replace all the revenue that we’ve got, you’d probably end up having to make it like about a 40% sales tax. I mean that’s the value added, making it up. Now some people say 23 or 25, but in truth when you add up all the revenue that would need to be raised, you’d have to slap on a whole bunch of sales taxes on. And I do believe for folks like me who have worked hard, but frankly also been lucky, I don’t mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there who’s things are slow and she can barely make the rent."

Obama said, "My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’re gonna be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."

That's the key moment McCain is jumping out…"when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody."

"But listen," Obama said, shaking Wurzelbacher's hand, "I respect what you do and I respect your question, and even if I don’t get your vote, I’m still gonna be working hard on your behalf, because small businesses are what creates jobs in this country and I want to encourage it.”

"Guys I gotta get out of here and go prepare for the debate," Obama said, "but that was pretty good practice right there."

Yes this is pretty shocking "mocking" don't you think?

Anonymous said...

This post is exactly my problem with what both parties have done to the political process. The GOP has convinced the average Republican voter that Obama is an elitist anti-middle class Marxist terrorist sympathizer, and the Democratic party has convinced the average liberal that McCain is a blood thirsty war-mongering old heartless geezer. Even a basic understanding of economic philosophy, Communism, and the modern implementations of socialism would leave one understanding that Obama is far from a socialist. The mere suggestion makes our friends and allies in Europe laugh at us (not that I'm particularly interested in what Europeans think of us, I'm just saying).

To say that because McCain brought up "Joe the plumber" shows he believes in the middle class is ridiculous. If anything it showed he is insensitive to the personal desires and privacy of voters when it comes to his own political gain. He never made any attempt to see how Joe felt about using his name over 20 times on national TV and holding him up as an example of everything that is wrong with Obama. McCain wants to use Joe the plumber as a sign that the middle class is really what the GOP is all about and that Obama and the scary big-government extremist liberals only care about taxing and wealth redistribution. And saying Obama is a Marxist only shows that the person making the claim knows absoutely nothing about Marx's economic and political philosophies, as Obama is not even close to a Marxist.

What is it going to take for people to wake up? Neither side cares about the middle class!! You really think John '7 houses' McCain and George 'silver spoon legacy' Bush give a rats ass about blue collar workers who are struggling to make ends meet? Give me a break. Of course they don't, and neither does the Democratic leadership. You think that the media would be so friendly towards Obama if they weren't absolutely sure that his administration would maintain the status quo of corporate control and special interest power over our political system?

Shadowbrook Smith said...

What is mocking is the suggest that the press shouldn't follow up on McCain's claims. Apparently he did not get his facts straight. Apparently, there is no Joe the plumber. "Joe" made him up. Joe was making a hypothetical argument.

Obama was not mocking Joe he was mocking McCain. McCain was so quick to follow a political punchline that he didn't think to question the obvious, whether or not this plumber who is concerned as to whether he could buy a quarter million dollar a year business because of a 3% marginal tax increase. If you were asked this question would Joe strike you as a man who is ready to run a business? Do you think he understands what his employer claims as income?

Obama did the right thing. He was respectful. If McCain was as respectful he would have asked Joe if it was all right to share his story and he would have verified the story to protect Joe from what Joe has gone through in the end.

The press did their job. McCain did not do his.

Shadowbrook Smith said...

To anonymous.

While I understand your point I do not think Obama is the choice of the establishment. Don't get me wrong, I am certain they are trying to get him to sell out. Of all the candidates Obama and (believe it or not) Huckabee were the best. Unfortunately, Obama is not nearly as naive as Huckabee. Obama has shown he has a political mind and a progressive heart. I know of no one else in the political arena that is as pragmatic and hopeful. He won't solve the problems for certain but I do believe he can put us on the path to the right direction. We have a tremendous way to go.

Anonymous said...

I agree that Obama wasn't the first choice of the establishment, and the majority of the establishment is probably pulling for McCain. All I'm saying is that to suggest that Obama is some revolutionary, or socialist, or somehow vastly different than any other politician is ridiculous. Believe me, between the two Obama is by far the lesser of the two evils, and I will be voting for him hoping against hope that he will effectively govern and not give in to the special and/or corporate interests that infect both sides, but my hope is waning as the campaign goes on.

My point is that I happen to believe that certain media players (MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, CNN to an extent) are pulling for Obama because to them he's a good story that brings in ratings. But they wouldn't be covering him this favorably is they thought he was going to challenge the establishment and bring a drastic change to the system, regardless of the ratings he brings in. Essentially what I mean in that respect is that Obama is no Bobby Kennedy.

Anonymous said...

BTW, of all the candidates I would say that Ron Paul and Kucinich were the only two that were geniuine in their concern and interest for the American people and the future of the country. This isn't to say that I agree with their policies, but neither one pandered to the party or the base, and after dropping out they refused to just fall in line with the party and throw support behind the chosen candidate (which even Huckabee did). Both were portrayed as wingnut whack-jobs by the media, despite both having a significant following and Ron Paul being the most prolific fundraiser out of the entire Republican field.

charlotte said...

Of course Obama will give in to pressure. His record shows he's never stood against his party ever. When he didn't vote for something they wanted, he just didn't vote at all.

McCain is our only hope of change.

Anonymous said...

Obama didnt mock the average Joe. The average Joe doesnt charge people to do their plumbing when he doesnt have a license or lie that he is buying a plumbing business from his owner when the owner says that wasnt true or cheats on his taxes.

The average Joe also doesnt want to get rid of social security like this Joe the Plumber in Ohio publically said. Im tired of Republicans acting like their identify with the average joe like me when their real actions are anti-average Joe.

Jimmy Breslin said...

What a lame ass campaign stunt.

This is the most horrible fucking blog I've ever read and you, sir, are an idiot.

The Lizard said...


Seems you are a typical left wing liberal. You offer no substance and resort to name calling.

Your no substance messiah is lucky to have no substance people like you following him.